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    Tuesday, March 30th, 2010
    7:51 am
    [bablo88]
    Сайт с бесплатными битами
    Народ цените мой сайт с бесплатными Рэп Битами http://freebeats.ru/

     

    На сайте есть как Микстейп биты Так и Нужные всем Авторские. . . Все абсолютно бесплатно. . . + Ко всему все желающие могут размещать на сайте свои биты. . . Хочу сделать нечто типо банка битов. . .=)
    Wednesday, October 28th, 2009
    1:55 pm
    [xxsquealahxx]
    Tuesday, June 30th, 2009
    1:38 am
    [time333]
    Hey, I'm new here.....
    Yeah, so I'm new and not too sure how this works but does anyone have the AFI cover of Head Like A Hole?   I would really appreciate it.
    Tuesday, June 23rd, 2009
    4:17 pm
    [almudeno69]
    wanted garage-punk-trash/noise-rock/industrial-punk video/DVD


    hi 
    wanted rare live video/DVD shows to trade of noise-rock/industrial-punk,etc
    I have tons to trade of stuff to
    trade at
    http://almudeno69.hostse.com/index.html
    almudeno69@yahoo.com
    Sunday, October 5th, 2008
    9:38 am
    [dtang4]
    Download full Foo concert - 4/3/96, Toronto - rare performances and early foo
    I uploaded a full Foo Fighters concert from '96 (4/3/96, Toronto) for the foo fighters bbs, but decided I'll share it as well.
    http://allrespect.com/user_rantrave.php?user=dave&rant=3

    This show has some rare performances...
    *Chicken Derby (aka My Poor Brain)
    *Satan's in the Manger jam
    *Floaty (Petra on vocals)

    It also has a lot of early foo and pocketwatch stuff... e.g. winnebago, butterflies, podunk, gas chamber, etc.

    Here are my other full concerts. I can upload them on a per request basis (since they take a long time to upload). It's not just all foo (tho mostly):
    http://dave.allrespect.com/collection/concerts


    Current Mood: hungry
    Saturday, September 27th, 2008
    4:55 pm
    [dtang4]
    My Foo Fighters Collection
    So, I just uploaded my entire Foo Fighters collection. (I may be missing some, not sure.)
    http://dave.allrespect.com/collection/band=Foo+Fighters

    I have 38 albums in total listed, including ~20+ full concerts. Let me know if you want to trade anything. I have them all in mp3s.

    You can browse around my collection to see what else I have. I have some STP, GNR, and VR bootleg concerts, as well.


    Current Mood: accomplished
    Tuesday, September 2nd, 2008
    2:15 pm
    [almudeno69]
    Wanted live video/DVD shows punk,industrial,noise,rock,etc...
    Hello:

    I've been trading about 10+ years,I have a lot of live shows for trade,I'm looking for a few bands actually for trade,please send me your lists at almudeno69_at_yahoo.com you can see my complete list(frecuently updated) at www.freewebs.com/almudeno69

    STOOGES,DEAD BOYS,DEAD KENNEDYS,GG ALLIN,BOREDOMS,WHITEHOUSE,BUTTHOLE SURFERS,GORIES,SWANS,COIL&tons more...

    thanks
    Sunday, August 31st, 2008
    4:04 pm
    [x_funhouse]
    Sunday, June 1st, 2008
    9:00 am
    [dtang4]
    Looking for Rare Music?
    Hey guys,
    So, I'm posting this to all communities that I think would be interested. If you're looking for rare albums and such, check out this page: http://www.allrespect.com/collection_search.php?biggest
    There's a search box on the right side. You can type in a band name or album name that you're looking for.

    It's kinda hit or miss, depending on what you're looking for, but I did some searches with very positive results. For instance, if you're a Foo Fighters fan, I found all these albums:
    In Your Honor - Owned by 3 members
    One by One - Owned by 3 members
    The Colour And The Shape - Owned by 2 members
    There Is Nothing Left to Lose - Owned by 2 members
    Foo Fighters - Owned by 2 members
    Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace - Owned by 2 members
    Skin and Bones - Owned by 2 members
    We Will Rock You - Owned by 1 members
    U.F.O.O. Ecstasy - Owned by 1 members
    Brain Damage - Owned by 1 members
    Five Songs and a Cover - Owned by 1 members
    Echoes Silence Patience & Grace - Owned by 1 members
    Skin & Bones - Owned by 1 members
    Late!Pocketwatch - Owned by 1 members
    With Compliments to Eddie - Owned by 1 members
    Wednesday, September 5th, 2007
    5:43 am
    [tristesir666]
    DARKMUSIC COLLECTION

     BOOTLEGS DVD VIDEOS TRADE
    Gothic, Batcave, Deathrock, Postpunk, Dark Wave, Dark Folk, Neo Folk, Industrial, Dark Ambient, Neoclassic, Heavenly, EBM, Electro, Synthpop, Cold Wave, Black Métal & All Dark Music... 

    http://darkmusic.dvd.trade.free.fr/cariboost1/

    Monday, September 3rd, 2007
    5:54 pm
    [dtang4]
    Go to Concerts?
    Yo,
    Another update for what is becoming one of my frequented sites, www.AllRespect.com. They recently added a new Concerts feature. The idea is for you to find other concert goers who are attending the same concerts and then share videos, mp3s, photos, etc. from that show.

    The feature is not really being used, but I think it's a good idea, so I'm helping spread the word here. Anywhere, there are still some more invites left to join the new music community. Here's the link:
    http://www.allrespect.com/invite.php?promo=LJ

    Enjoy, folks.


    Current Mood: mischievous
    Saturday, July 14th, 2007
    7:47 am
    [not_ian]
    complete list of bootleg dvd
    new dvds
    Daucus Karota
    13/11/1994
    Torino Dracma Club
    Meolo Mythos Club
    17/11/1994


    LIST
    ADAM ANT
    PROMO COLLECTION
    MAKING HISTORY TV COMPILATION

    THE ANTI NOWHERE LEAGUE
    28.10.93 brixton academy
    05/1994 Astoria London
    6.7.03 south shield
    10.2.06 hobbits w.s.a

    45 Grave
    45 Grave Videography vol 1
    Los Angeles 1984 (cuts) C+/B - Party Time" 1983 B-/A - "Evil" promo 1983 C+/A- Huntington Beach, CA 1988 B+/A-
    45 Grave Videography vol 2
    -New Wave Theater 1980: "Wax" A/A - -New Wave Theater 1981: "Black Cross" A/A - -"Evil" live 1988 B+/A - -Los Angeles 10/28/89 B-/B


    ALIEN SEX FIEND
    braunschweig 1987 aud

    ALTERED IMAGES
    11/11/80 Scottish TV live appearance and promos A TV NTSC 39MIN

    BAUHAUS
    Archive & Shadow Of Light - deleted videos live/promos
    Live/Interviews/TV Appearances + dalis car tv

    BIG BLACK
    The Last Blast Georgetown Steamplant Chicago last show 08/09/1987 vhs

    THE BIRTHDAY PARTY
    with Lydia Lunch Stohlwerck 02.06.82

    BLACK FLAG
    01/09/1981 Mabuhay Gardens San Francisco

    BLOC PARTY
    Canal + France 03/05

    NICK CAVE
    11/24/84 666 Club NTSC B 45MIN NO MENU
    NICK CAVE A POTRAIT AUSTRALIAN DOCO TV PAL A 55MIN MENU
    London Royal Hall - 05/19/97
    Bizzare Fest - Koln - 08/17/96
    The Black Session's - Le Reservor Paris - 05/19/95

    CHAMELEONS UK
    Live at Camden Palace deleted vhs


    CHRISTIAN DEATH
    VALOR
    Zero Sex Promo
    Believers Of The Unpure Promo
    I Hate You Promo
    We Fall Like Love Promo
    Church Of No Return Promo
    11/06/1985 Odiessa 2001 Milan
    10/06/89 Marquee London - The Heretics Alive - OFF Deleted VHS
    ROZZ
    00/00/1983 Media Blitz
    29/10/1989 Hollywood LA
    14/01/1990 Phoniex Mason Jr - Alt Angle


    THE CHURCH
    16/03/2000 studio 22 sydney

    THE CLASH
    Paris 1979/Tokyo 1-2-82/Rude Boy Footage

    CORPUS DELICTI
    Grenoble, Club Magik 30/09/1993

    THE CRAMPS
    07/03/1986 The Tube - tv
    00/00/1987 Decibels - tv
    00/00/1990 The Late Show - tv
    09/03/1990 VPRO "Onrust" - tv
    15/10/1991 Mayfair, Newcastle
    14/08/1993 Graspop Festival, Dessel - tv
    30/11/1994 Graffiti's, Pittsburg, PA
    25/02/1995 Brixton Academy, London
    05/05/1998 Vidia Club, San Vinore
    26/09/2003 Astoria London
    27/09/2003 Astoria London



    THE CRAMPS


    THE CURE
    21/04/1980 Underground Boston
    Live in Tokyo 1984
    Glasgow Barrowlands 25.08.1984
    26/01/1996 Hollywood Rock Festival 2dvd

    THE CULT
    Cult history compilation of tv stuff starting with Southern Death Cult etc



    DAUCUS KAROTA
    10/20/1993 Bad Hannover Germany
    10/11/1994 Bikini Club Toulouse Italy

    DAF (Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft)
    Comp of 4 promos, 1 live song in 81, 10 live songs in 86 on Belgium TV, and live show from Japan 2000 A TV NTSC 120MIN MENU

    DEPECHE MODE
    ROCK AM RING 2006

    THE DAMNED
    LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL deleted vhs of promo videos
    Old Waldorf Sf 1979 + tv clips old grey whistle test etc


    THE DEAD KENNEDYS
    Hurra's,NYC 1979
    Brixton Ace 1982

    ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN
    videos out of print vhs collection

    EDITORS
    Summer Sundae, Leicester, UK - 13.08.2005 B+AUD

    EINSTURZENDE NEUBAUTEN
    Rockplast Philipshalle D�sseldorf 24.11.1990 A TV

    ELECTRONIC
    TV CLIPS A TV PAL 2 DVDR

    EVA O
    00/00/1994 Eva O Halo Experience - OFF Deleted VHS

    THE FALL
    THE FALL on tv 1979-2004 various venues interviews promos a/b
    WOMAD JULY 19 1985
    Astoria Theatre 05/14/1987
    VHS8489 deleted vhs 1989

    FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM
    London Marquee 25/05/1989
    Astoria 21/11/1987

    GANG OF FOUR
    History Of Damaged Goods(Various T.V.)


    GITANE DEMONE
    17/11/1994 Meolo Mithos Club

    THE GUN CLUB
    Gun Club Rarities

    GG ALLIN
    10/10/1991 The Exit Chicago

    HARD-ONS
    geneva switzerland 1/5/91

    NINA HAGEN
    WESTFALENHALLE 2, DORTMUND, 09.12.1978 ROCKPALAST
    BOY / AUF'M BAHNHOF ZOO / RANGEHN / PANK / MY WAY / HERMANN HIESS ER
    Pop Meeting SWF Germany 1979 A TV
    COMPILATION OF PROMOS

    HAPPY MONDAYS
    Live at Big Day Out 26.01.01
    Live at Melbourne Palace 30.01.01

    THE HORRORPOPS
    Vasarnad Becs 9/5/2004

    HUNTERS AND COLLECTORS
    ST KILDA MELBOURNE 1984 TV A

    INTERPOL
    Live at La Route de Rock Festival 08.12.2001
    Live at Rockpalast 28.06.03
    Teatro Sascha audience PAL 16/04/05
    Eurockeennes, France, 1 July 2005 TV A
    T in the Park, UK, 10 July 2005 TV A
    Glastonbury, UK 25 June 2005 TV A


    JOY DIVISION
    Substance 2 DVD R PAL B
    PLAY UK SEX AND DRUGS DOCO

    THE KILLERS
    Live at Glastonbury Festival 25.06.05

    KILLING JOKE
    Paradiso 06/07/1981
    LORELEY, ST. GOARSHAUSEN, 17.08.1985-OPEN AIR FESTIVAL
    Live at Astoria Theatre London 1994.
    Amsterdam 2005 webcast
    Out Of The Virus


    KIM SALMON & THE BUSSINESS
    Studio 22,Australia TV 24/6/1999

    KRAFTWERK
    Brussels 1991 nov 14
    Paris 9-25-02 B
    "Den Atelier" Luxemburg 09.29.2002
    KRAFTWERK video clips

    LUSH
    THE ABYSS, HOUSTON, 11.08.1994,

    TV COMPILATION VOL 1

    LYDIA LUNCH
    Live Rarities
    The Venu London 02/12/1991

    THE MARCH VIOLETS
    Natural History Fan Club 81-84
    Promos


    MAGAZINE
    ROCKPLAST OCT 30 1980

    MISFITS
    Love Hall Philadelphia PA 23rd Oct 1982
    01/07/83 "Why Be Something You're Not" TV



    MEPHISTO WALZ
    Kulturfabrik Krefeld Germany 13/06/1992



    NEW ORDER
    Berlin 27/05/1981
    Leuven Belgium 17 Dec 85
    Town + Country Club London 4/10/86
    1983 Switch - Channel 4 Television -984 Play At Home - Channel 4 1984 Saturday Live - BBC2 -1985 Whistle Test - BBC2-1986 The Tube - Channel 4 A
    Glastonbury 19 June 1987
    Real Substance
    2005 tv clips 2 DVDR
    Live at Glastonbury Festival 2005


    GARY NUMAN
    The Touring Principle. 1979
    Wembley. 1981


    PLACEBO
    Live at Rockpalast

    PLASMATICS
    chainsaw shotguns and rock n roll
    tomorrow show 3-3-81 - candy goes to hollywood 1976 - fridays tv shows 1-16-81 - tomorrow show 5-20-81 - us tv exposure interview 1980 - solid gold 11-11-81 - new music tv 1981 - sctv 10-14-81 - passadena ca usa news clip 1981 - the damned promo 1982 - night flight interview - butcher baby promo - japan tv 1981 - tv/vhs b

    PLAY DEAD
    Marquee London 1983
    INTO THE FIRE Oxford 23/02/85


    THE POLICE
    Live 1979. At The Hatfield Polythecnic A tv


    PRIMAL SCREAM
    Promo Videos 1989-2002 + Glastonbury 2005

    PUBLIC IMAGE LTD
    tv clips A/B TV NTSC 120MIN MENU
    public image promo 78 - chant interview check it out 79 - death disco promo 79 - poptones ogwt 1980 - carrering ogwt 1980 - careering NEW YORK, GREAT GILDERSLEEVES 1980 - Public Image NEW YORK, GREAT GILDERSLEEVES 1980 - Another NEW YORK, GREAT GILDERSLEEVES 1980 - Low Life NEW YORK, GREAT GILDERSLEEVES 1980 - Bad Baby NEW YORK, GREAT GILDERSLEEVES 1980 - Press Conference 1980 - Poptones american bandstand 1980 - Careering american bandstand 1980 - Interview Tom Snyder 1980 - Flowers Of Romance TOTP 1981 - 82 ch 5 roseland 82 - this is not a love song 83 the tube - interview 84 - bad life rock of the eighties 84 - public image rock of the eighties 84 - lowlife rock of the eighties 84 - bodies rock of the eighties 84 - annalisa rock of the eighties 84 - judge judy -
    31/10/1983 ZECHE BOCHUM GERMANY ROCKPALAST TV PAL 60MIN MENU
    Live In Tokyo 83 out of print vhs A
    John Lydon - interviews and tv clips etc a/b tv
    pil the tube 28/10/83- order of death press conf 1983 -world destruction promo- rise promo -pil check it out 79- rise promo -pil whistle test 5/86- sex pistols granda 76 -john lydon music box interview 1989 -rotten tv ep 1- rotten tv ep 2


    THE RAMONES
    Houston USA At On The Border 19.02.1978
    Orlando USA At Club Visage 20.11.1988


    RED LORRY YELLOW LORRY
    Promo Videos + MTV 1988 + Brema, 22.03.1986 + Vienna, U4, 19.09.1988

    ROWLAND S HOWARD
    Studio 22,Australia TV 25/11/1999

    SEX PISTOLS
    June 23 1996 London, Finsbury Park aud b-
    TOTPs 28th September,Phoenix Festival 21st July 1996,Late Show with Letterman 12th December 1996,MTV Studios USA 19th August 1996 tv

    SEX GANG CHILDREN
    Ocean London 13 June 2002 - fanclub dvdr aud b+ ntsc

    SCIENTISTS
    PERTH 1978
    Studio 22,Australia TV 3-May-2001


    SIOUXSIE AND THE BANSHEES/THE CREATURES
    T.V. Appearances - A/B -
    ROCK GOES TO COLLEGE Warwick Univeristy 09/03/81
    Rockpalast Koln Satory Saal 19/07/1981

    SISTERS OF MERCY
    WAKE Royal Albert Hall 6/18/85 - promos,tv apearences interviews etc.

    SKELTETAL FAMILY
    Live At Sheffield 1984



    SKINNY PUPPY
    Milky Way, Amsterdam 16-04-1988
    The Diamond Toronto 11-11-1985

    SOULFLY
    SYDNEY BIG DAY OUT 1999 TV ARGENTINA 1998 TV

    THE SPECIALS
    Rock Goes To College (Colchester University)1979
    Montreaux Festival 1980-11-07

    S.P.K
    Despair NTSC

    STIFF LITTLE FINGERS
    Straw dogs & Irishmen - something else 1.12.80 rockpalast - 30.11.80 old grey whestle test - 25.7.80 review ireland - 6.3.78 shellshock ireland - 25.10.78 studio session - 5.79 brockwell park brixton - 2.9.79 london weekend show - 1980 totp - 1980 - 120 min menu tv a

    THE SMITHS
    Hacienda, England. 1983
    Rockpalast, Hamburg ,Germany. 1984 4 may + doco

    THROBBING GRISTLE
    Guildhall Northampton 26th May, 1979
    Goldsmiths College on March 13, 1980
    Sheffield University on June 10, 1980 n
    Rafters Club Manchester December 4th 1980
    Destiny - Lyceum London Febuary 8 1981
    Mission of Dead Souls - San Francisco C.A 29 May 1981

    U2
    den haag 12/01/1981


    UK Subs

    Sydney Empire Hotel 24/03/2007
    Sydney Harbour Cruise 25/03/2007
    Sydney Utopia Records 26/03/2007


    VICTIMS
    PERTH 1978


    VIRGIN PRUNES
    sons find devils deleted vhs
    london brixton 25/11/1982
    l'echo des bananes 00/12/1982
    lausanne salle st jean 05/02/83



    WIRE
    WDR STUDIO L, KOLN, 14.02.1979, ROCKPALAST

    XTC
    Festival Hall Melbourne Australia 5 Sep 1980

    XMAL DEUTSCHLAND
    T.V. Appearances 1984-1989
    Live at the Schlachthoff 13.10.85





    COMPILATIONS / DOCOS

    I SWEAR I WAS THERE - story of first pistols gig in manchester A tv

    Various - Gothic in the eighties - A - PAL
    SEX GANG CHILDREN - RIVERSIDE 28/2/83 - PLAYDEAD - THE TUBE 12/1984 - DANIEL DAX - THE TUBE 1984 - PARIAH PROMO - SISTERS OF MERCY - WHISTLE TEST 02/04/85 - DANSE SOCIETY - THE TUBE 23/03/1984 - SPECIMEN - BEAUTY OF POISON PROMO - BATCAVE - NIGHTCLUB PROMO - THE MYSTERY GIRLS - TV 1984 - VIRGIN PRUNES - LONDON BRIXTON 25/11/1982


    Various - Gothic in the eighties - A/B - PAL
    sisters of mercy - top of the pops 26/08/93 - skeletal family - yorkshire tv 1986 - nick cave - the tube 1986 - uplate jools holland 2004 - brixton academy 2004 - the cure - the tube 06/02/1984 - the mission - the tube 16/01/1987 - top of the pops 19/03/1987 - all about eve - yorkshire tv 02/1988 - pyschedelic furs - the tue 1987 - balam and the angel - promo 1985 - red lorry yellow lorry - promo -

    POSITIVE PUNK - doco SOUTH OF WATFORD TV - features live Brigandage and Blood and Roses etc

    ROCK FAMILY TREES - And God Created Manchester This programme looks at some of the best bands to come out of Manchester over the past 20 years. The stories of Buzzcocks, Joy Division, New Order, Happy Mondays and Monaco all feature along with other Manchester institutions such as the Hacienda and Factory Records.

    THE FALL The Wonderful and Frightening World of Mark E Smith (2005) BBC DOCO


    New Wave/Punk TOTP TV performances 2DVD (late 70s - early 80s): Siouxsie/Elvis Costello/Squeeze/Stranglers/Gary Numan/Blondie/Boomtown Rats/Undertones/Sham 69/Buzzcocks/Jilted John etc

    Australia - The Punk Years
    SCIENTISTS - Human Jukebox (promo) - Blood Red River (promo) - Solid Gold Hell (promo) LIME SPIDERS - Interview and live clips of Slave Girl, Out Of Control - My Favourite Room (live "Blah Blah Blah, ABC TV, 1988) RADIO BIRDMAN "Rock Arena" documentary including: - New Race (live Paddington Town Hall, Sydney, April 3, 1977) - "Rockturnal", Marryatville Hotel, Adelaide, Australia, September 21, 1977 - Aloha Steve And Danno (live footage from Paddington Town Hall, Sydney, December 12, 1977) THE CHURCH - Ripple (promo) HITMEN - Everybody Knows (I Don�t Like Love) (promo) THE CRYSTAL SET - Thrive (promo) THE RIPTIDES - Only Time (promo) DIED PRETTY - Stoneage Cinderella (from French TV)
    Thursday, July 5th, 2007
    5:01 pm
    [dtang4]
    Cool Music Community
    Hey all,
    I thought you may be interested in this new site, AllRespect.com.

    It's a music community for people to find others with the same taste in music (mostly rock/alternative from what I see). You can also create your Music Compatibility Test to add to your LJ for your visitors to check how similar their taste in music is to yours. Check out mine on my journal.

    Anyway, the site is still in beta and by invite only. However, they have a couple promotions going on -- one for LJ users (lucky us, eh?):
    http://www.allrespect.com/invite.php?promo=LJ

    You can read a bit more about the site (clearer than what I'm explaining) here:
    http://www.allrespect.com/about.php

    Here's my page if you get bored:
    http://dave.allrespect.com/

    Cheers.

    Dave


    Current Mood: awake
    Sunday, June 17th, 2007
    10:23 pm
    [english_rozz]
    Looking for They Might Be Giants
    Hi guys!
    I'm interested in any TMBG shows that I don't have, both audio and video.
    Check out my tradelist here: http://www.tapetrader.com/flutefighter
    My email is flute.fighter@gmail.com
    Thursday, May 24th, 2007
    5:23 pm
    [zombiejanedoe]
    Looking for 'Staind - Unplugged and Live'. Anyone have it? Thanks in advance!
    Wednesday, February 7th, 2007
    3:11 am
    [karl_petrograd]
    Wednesday, December 13th, 2006
    2:40 pm
    [psycho64]

    Hey everyone. I'm looking for a few Death Cab for Cutie Bootlegs. 

    1). Death Cab For Cutie w/ Elvis Costello- I Will Follow You Into the Dark
    2). Death Cab For Cutie covering Elvis Costello's "Accidents Will Happen"
    3). Death Cab For Cutie covering REM's "Cuyahoga" 


    thanks.
    Sunday, November 5th, 2006
    9:39 pm
    [darkestfaerie]
    Looking for P!nk bootlegs
    Hi there!
    I am looking for a place to find P!nk bootlegs. Or if any one has any. I am very specifically looking for the San Francisco 2006 show (we were there and it was amazing:)).
    Anyways. Any sites that trade p!nk boots or anyone that does would be greatly loved by me. Just name your price. I will send anything within Reason.
    Thank you.
    Carolina
    X-posted
    Sunday, March 26th, 2006
    11:47 pm
    [not_ian]
    hello
    looking to trade dvdr or crd
    trading punk,deathrock,post punk,new wave etc
    artists traded
    xtc,x mal deuttschland,yeah yeah yeahs,wire,white stripes,virgin prunes,uk subs,turbonegro,rancid,public image ltd,shadow project
    primal scream,the misfits,the fall,joy division,bloc party,alien sex fiend,hoodoo gurus,eighties b line matchbox disaster...
    full list
    http://www.angelfire.com/goth/nastygoth/bootlegs.html
    Wednesday, February 22nd, 2006
    9:09 pm
    [cameinlast]
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    Themed Mix Trades. Everyone Welcome.


    *if this isn't ok, feel free to delete*
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